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      All four governors of the newly created state of Pakistan were Knights (3 British & Sir Ghulam Hussian Hidayatullah.) I.I Chundrigar, Jinnahís confidante from Ahmadabad, Gujrat, who had absolutely no connection with the newly created state, was made the first Trade & Commerce minister. Ghulam Mohammad, an Aligarh graduate and a chartered accountant who was a partner of Mahindra and Mohamed Steel Company in Bombay became the first Finance Minister of Pakistan. Totally ousted from provincial politics of NWFP in the 1946 elections, Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, Jinnahís confidante was made Pakistanís first Minister for communications. Raja Ghazanfar Ali Khan, a Muslim League deserter in favor of Unionist party earlier and again a Jinnah confidante was made Pakistanís first Minister for Food Agriculture and Health. Fazal-ur-Rahman, a Jinnah confidante from Dacca, Bengal, with no political base was made the first Minister for Interior, Information and Education. Jogindernath Mandal, another Jinnah confidante and an untouchable from Bengal, after a green signal from Dr. Ambedkar opted for Pakistan. He was made Pakistanís first Minister of Law.
      Liaqat Ali Khan, the Nawab from UP who could not win a single seat in the areas which constituted Pakistan took over as the first Prime Minister of Pakistan. And finally, Mohammad Ali Jinnah who would seldom visit the areas to be included in Pakistan, and remained in Bombay almost all his life, later became the Governor General of Pakistan.
      After seizing power, a dirty game of loot and plunder began mainly focusing on the abandoned property of Hindus and Sikhs. (Before Partition, 75% of property & business in Lahore was in the hands of Hindus and Sikhs.) Infighting ensued over securing lucrative portfolios and proxies were mobilized to infiltrate into Kashmir, which became operative in the first week of September 1947. The elected government of NWFP was dismissed on August 22, 1947 by purchasing some members of the provincial assembly. On April 26, 1948, the elected Chief Minister of Sindh Ayub Khuhro was dismissed and Balochistan was forcibly annexed on March 28, 1948. The Punjab assembly was dissolved on January 25, 1949.
      On the other hand nothing substantive was done to resettle the refugees, no elections were held for the next 23 years and no stable constitution came into force for the next 26 years. And nothing was done for the landless farmers of East Pakistan to tackle agrarian poverty and public health.
      Hence, largely Urdu speaking, English speaking and Gujrati speaking, elitist professionals, industrialists and feudal lords who had absolutely no connection with the man in the street were now calling the shots in the newly created state.
      Not only that, they also dictated to Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashto, Balochi and Bengali speaking majority that a superior North Indian culture would play a dominant role in the newly born state and Urdu would be its national language. (54% Pakistanis would speak Bengali vis-a-vis 3.3% Urdu-speaking in 1947.)
      The last nail was the passage of the Objectives Resolution presented by Liaqat Ali Khan, which Islamized the character of the state and sealed its fate as a progressive and modern state for all times to come.
      History and culture were distorted and recreated to suit the interests of the new rulers who had replaced the English while systematic attempts were made to manufacture a distinct identity from the rest of the Indian sub-continent.
      The bandwagon of the corrupt polity was later joined by bureaucrats and khakis and an illusion of freedom from enslavement was created through indoctrination and hate material at all levels- from school curricula to media management.
      How long artificial structures last? The Eastern Wing separated in 1971. And how viable is present Pakistan or is it a failed state!


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      We know these events did take place in the history such as sacking of Ayub Khoro but what were the motives behind those actions? We did not have good political leaders in the first place?

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      Wayyy to undermine all these leaders who had been struggling day & night to make a seperate homeland happen for muslims in India. Bravo.

      I wonder how different is writer and OP from Hakim Ali Zardari who publicly cursed Jinnah on TV. May be Zardaris and their likes are actually patriots, rest are all traitors
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      We need to learn the facts other than the ones taught to us in Mutale Pakistan so that we can learn from our past mistakes and make Pakistan a better country for all. There used to be an old poster here by the nick of Afaq who has same ideas like these.

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      Dunya main eak Mostar bhai kay peer sahib sachay dosray peer kay Ustad...baqi sab loters...

      peer sahib forget to mention Iqbal!!!

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      Lack of sharing information and arguments.

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      And there I was, thinking this to be a DB Cooper discussion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      Lack of sharing information and arguments.
      exactly!

      only peer sahib have info...

      now as per peer sahib everyone including Jinnah were crooks or agents of british...but only peer sahib and his staunch supporters are true patriots and loyal....

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      Keep on reading mutalia Pakistan. I don't know which peer you are talking about but the writer of the article is from Gujrat, Pakistan and the guppee Afaq also hails from Punjab.
      Last edited by Mostar95; 1 Week Ago at 05:52 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      Keep on reading mutalia Pakistan. I don't know which peer you are talking about but the writer of the article is from Gujrat, Pakistan and the guppee Afaq also hails from Punjab.
      sir jee i am agreeing with you whole heartdly and i dont know why are you doubting me here!! please no joke here, everyone here is chor ka puttar and only peer sahib written the thing above is the rightous guy!!

      and since the writer is from Gujrat!!! that make this article irrefutable!! since the peer sahib hails from Punjab! how come he can write a wrong thing!!!


      see the karamat of Peer Sahib!

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      The shared article was clearly written on the racial motive acting on nationalism fundamentals while very conveniently ignoring the fact that whole ideology of Pakistan is NOT based on the proportional strength of Sindhis, Punjabis, Balochs, Bengalis in their relative provinces BUT on the two-nation theory which was constituted on the fact that since Hindus and Muslims are two different nations they deserve seperate homelands. And muslims homeland will be comprised on the provinces which are clearly muslim majority (and infact they included hyderabad-deccan) as well.

      There, I summarized it for anyone who is confused and might be appreciating the whole wrong article. Its no rocket science nor you have to be a historian to understand this.

      Be thankful. Be very very thankful and proud of this country and the first leadership who threw away everything they had to give you this amazing piece of land.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SID_NY View Post
      The shared article was clearly written on the racial motive acting on nationalism fundamentals while very conveniently ignoring the fact that whole ideology of Pakistan is NOT based on the proportional strength of Sindhis, Punjabis, Balochs, Bengalis in their relative provinces BUT on the two-nation theory which was constituted on the fact that since Hindus and Muslims are two different nations they deserve seperate homelands. And muslims homeland will be comprised on the provinces which are clearly muslim majority (and infact they included hyderabad-deccan) as well.

      There, I summarized it for anyone who is confused and might be appreciating the whole wrong article. Its no rocket science nor you have to be a historian to understand this.

      Be thankful. Be very very thankful and proud of this country and the first leadership who threw away everything they had to give you this amazing piece of land.
      Sir jee!!

      you have insulted peer sahib!!! the one who hailed from Gujrat Shareef, the land of Dolay Shah and its Chohay!!!

      and on a serious note you have killed a very interesting topic...i was not even started!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by SID_NY View Post
      The shared article was clearly written on the racial motive acting on nationalism fundamentals while very conveniently ignoring the fact that whole ideology of Pakistan is NOT based on the proportional strength of Sindhis, Punjabis, Balochs, Bengalis in their relative provinces BUT on the two-nation theory which was constituted on the fact that since Hindus and Muslims are two different nations they deserve seperate homelands.
      The two nation theory was refuted by Bengal who was the main constituent element of creation of Pakistan as their votes for Pakistan were greater than any other province. The two provinces still refute it - Sindh and Balouchistan.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      The two nation theory was refuted by Bengal who was the main constituent element of creation of Pakistan as their votes for Pakistan were greater than any other province. The two provinces still refute it - Sindh and Balouchistan.
      State narrative of history is always fragile, because 'jhoot ke paon nahin hote'.

      Two nations theory is one of the most complicated and confused idea in recent history of world. As you mentioned, East Pakistan, the major proponent of the idea parted away (made to part away) from Pakistan. The policies of the rulers have never supported or made a room for this idea to flourish. With the passage of time, only disintegration flourished. Its time that we start thinking the ways to address grievances and first step is to acknowledge that some parts of the country have not been provided their due right. This will involve slaughtering some holy cows and when did they go wrong.
      We should care for each other more than we care for ideas, or else we will end up killing each other.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      The two nation theory was refuted by Bengal who was the main constituent element of creation of Pakistan as their votes for Pakistan were greater than any other province. The two provinces still refute it - Sindh and Balouchistan.
      See once again your narrative is purely based on the racial grounds. And that was exactly my point that Pakistan's ideology was never based on individual sub-nations like Sindhs, bengalis, Punjabis etc. I dont know why you are unable to understand this very simple point. I guess the reason being, you dont want to.

      The mentality at 1947 was faar different and far purer than one we've cropped today. Had people being thinking on racial grounds, millions of depleted families would never be hosted by Sindhi brothers but they did whole heartedly. Same goes for the families who decided to stay in Punjab and elsewhere.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      The two nation theory was refuted by Bengal who was the main constituent element of creation of Pakistan as their votes for Pakistan were greater than any other province. The two provinces still refute it - Sindh and Balouchistan.
      Bangladesh didn't merge back into India so two nation theory still stands even if hasina want's to be ex-muslim.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      All four governors of the newly created state of Pakistan were Knights (3 British & Sir Ghulam Hussian Hidayatullah.) I.I Chundrigar, Jinnah’s confidante from Ahmadabad, Gujrat, who had absolutely no connection with the newly created state, was made the first Trade & Commerce minister. Ghulam Mohammad, an Aligarh graduate and a chartered accountant who was a partner of Mahindra and Mohamed Steel Company in Bombay became the first Finance Minister of Pakistan. Totally ousted from provincial politics of NWFP in the 1946 elections, Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, Jinnah’s confidante was made Pakistan’s first Minister for communications. Raja Ghazanfar Ali Khan, a Muslim League deserter in favor of Unionist party earlier and again a Jinnah confidante was made Pakistan’s first Minister for Food Agriculture and Health. Fazal-ur-Rahman, a Jinnah confidante from Dacca, Bengal, with no political base was made the first Minister for Interior, Information and Education. Jogindernath Mandal, another Jinnah confidante and an untouchable from Bengal, after a green signal from Dr. Ambedkar opted for Pakistan. He was made Pakistan’s first Minister of Law.
      Liaqat Ali Khan, the Nawab from UP who could not win a single seat in the areas which constituted Pakistan took over as the first Prime Minister of Pakistan. And finally, Mohammad Ali Jinnah who would seldom visit the areas to be included in Pakistan, and remained in Bombay almost all his life, later became the Governor General of Pakistan.
      After seizing power, a dirty game of loot and plunder began mainly focusing on the abandoned property of Hindus and Sikhs. (Before Partition, 75% of property & business in Lahore was in the hands of Hindus and Sikhs.) Infighting ensued over securing lucrative portfolios and proxies were mobilized to infiltrate into Kashmir, which became operative in the first week of September 1947. The elected government of NWFP was dismissed on August 22, 1947 by purchasing some members of the provincial assembly. On April 26, 1948, the elected Chief Minister of Sindh Ayub Khuhro was dismissed and Balochistan was forcibly annexed on March 28, 1948. The Punjab assembly was dissolved on January 25, 1949.
      On the other hand nothing substantive was done to resettle the refugees, no elections were held for the next 23 years and no stable constitution came into force for the next 26 years. And nothing was done for the landless farmers of East Pakistan to tackle agrarian poverty and public health.
      Hence, largely Urdu speaking, English speaking and Gujrati speaking, elitist professionals, industrialists and feudal lords who had absolutely no connection with the man in the street were now calling the shots in the newly created state.
      Not only that, they also dictated to Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashto, Balochi and Bengali speaking majority that a superior North Indian culture would play a dominant role in the newly born state and Urdu would be its national language. (54% Pakistanis would speak Bengali vis-a-vis 3.3% Urdu-speaking in 1947.)
      The last nail was the passage of the Objectives Resolution presented by Liaqat Ali Khan, which Islamized the character of the state and sealed its fate as a progressive and modern state for all times to come.
      History and culture were distorted and recreated to suit the interests of the new rulers who had replaced the English while systematic attempts were made to manufacture a distinct identity from the rest of the Indian sub-continent.
      The bandwagon of the corrupt polity was later joined by bureaucrats and khakis and an illusion of freedom from enslavement was created through indoctrination and hate material at all levels- from school curricula to media management.
      How long artificial structures last? The Eastern Wing separated in 1971. And how viable is present Pakistan or is it a failed state!


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      It wud be nice to know from Waseem Altaf sahb , whom of that time they propose for these positions. For example who should have been the governor general of Pakistan ????
      If Jinnah or Liaquat ali khan for looking for money , than how much they had at the time of their death. They had a very rich posh life style earlier but what life stye they had at the time of their death.

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      Quote Originally Posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      State narrative of history is always fragile, because 'jhoot ke paon nahin hote'.

      Two nations theory is one of the most complicated and confused idea in recent history of world. As you mentioned, East Pakistan, the major proponent of the idea parted away (made to part away) from Pakistan. The policies of the rulers have never supported or made a room for this idea to flourish. With the passage of time, only disintegration flourished. Its time that we start thinking the ways to address grievances and first step is to acknowledge that some parts of the country have not been provided their due right. This will involve slaughtering some holy cows and when did they go wrong.
      But this is not the fault of the 2 nation theory. Muslims of india were supposed to be creative and prosper in an open environment aka the republic of Pakistan. If later assholes decided to subvert that intention then that is not the fault of jinnah or liaqat or suhrwardy etc.
      Say no to 'islamofascism'..


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