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With previous family deaths, my sister kind of shut them out but something broke inside her this time around... she became obsessed with searching the topic of life and death in religion. We had hours of discussion as a family because she had so many questions, what is the purpose of life when you go through so many trials and people you bond with die? What is the process of death? Are we set up to fail? What is the purpose of the dua when at times you pray so sincerely but it is not accepted? (This question came up because both when my nani ami got sick, she prayed so much for her to get better but it wasn't meant to be, same with my dadi ami) And if the prophet himself was scared about death, how does a normal human feel when they are nowhere perfect? How alone or scared must human feel.

For a moment, I thought it wouldn't be so bad if there is nothing after death, you just cease to exist but then it makes no sense. What about people who commit such atrocities in life and hurt innocent people... surely they have to be accounted for their actions.

One particular thing she brought up was that humans have several options every time they make a decision and based on that decision, one's life alters path. (Speaking from religious pov). It made me wonder how many mistakes I have made in life and what kind of life would I have had, if I had made different decisions. Because at times, I have made a seemingly minor decision in life but after carrying it out, I have felt very restless like I was making a major mistake. This also brings me to this quantum theory which basically states that there are infinite parallel universes, each universe is replica of this one but they differ by each different decision you make in a day. Interesting to think about.
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  1. SaeedinPakistan's Avatar
    Interesting to think about, yeah. However, it's kinda pointless unless we figure out some way to jump to these parallel universes. I've come to terms with the fact that I know very little, I can't change the past and I can't predict the future. Things, events or people don't necessarily have to have a purpose.

    You just enjoy what you got for as long as you got it but be ready for the possibility of loss at all times. Ceasing to exist does sound like a fantastic idea. No answering to some god who wants to put you in hell for stuff you did or didn't do.

    And sorry for your loss.
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  2. Illuminate's Avatar
    Those are some great questions to think about. I keep coming back to them often too and I feel most of us do.
    Faith is something that changes all the time. Spiritual highs and lows are a part of life and keeping it consistent is difficult.

    As a religious person you can answer all the questions above. As a Muslim you believe all prayers are accepted either in this life or the next. There's tons of reward for making dua. Death is a reality of life and no matter how hard you pray when your time is up, it's over. I don't think we are set-up to fail, but we will fail because as humans we weren't made perfect. All sons of Adam are sinners but the best are the ones that repent. As long as we've learned from our mistakes we can make the best decision in our life.

    I am sorry for your loss. I am sure your sister will be okay with time.
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  3. aqua70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedinPakistan
    Interesting to think about, yeah. However, it's kinda pointless unless we figure out some way to jump to these parallel universes. I've come to terms with the fact that I know very little, I can't change the past and I can't predict the future. Things, events or people don't necessarily have to have a purpose.

    You just enjoy what you got for as long as you got it but be ready for the possibility of loss at all times. Ceasing to exist does sound like a fantastic idea. No answering to some god who wants to put you in hell for stuff you did or didn't do.

    And sorry for your loss.
    @SaeedinPakistan even if let's say this theory is true, it wouldn't make sense to jump to different universes, there is a version of you already there. Just living a different path based on alternate choices. It's just comforting to know that there maybe a version of me out there who made all the right choices and doesn't have many regrets. It does sound nice though, doesn't it... the ceasing to exist part, well all humans will find out some day. Sometimes real life seems stranger than fictional sci-fi books and movies, I mean after all, we are living on a sphere in the middle of huge vacuum.
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  4. aqua70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminate
    Those are some great questions to think about. I keep coming back to them often too and I feel most of us do.
    Faith is something that changes all the time. Spiritual highs and lows are a part of life and keeping it consistent is difficult.

    As a religious person you can answer all the questions above. As a Muslim you believe all prayers are accepted either in this life or the next. There's tons of reward for making dua. Death is a reality of life and no matter how hard you pray when your time is up, it's over. I don't think we are set-up to fail, but we will fail because as humans we weren't made perfect. All sons of Adam are sinners but the best are the ones that repent. As long as we've learned from our mistakes we can make the best decision in our life.

    I am sorry for your loss. I am sure your sister will be okay with time.
    Agreed, spiritual journey is always on-going. All of us answered her questions to the best of our ability and she has calmed down now, just needed to talk it out. It is true that it is human nature to go through spiritual ups and downs, the other day I got quite sleepy in the middle of the day and decided to take a nap. As I was dozing off, I was so relaxed just focusing on inhaling and exhaling. That is when I realized how much I have to be thankful for. Previously, I was guilty of only concentrating on all the negativity in life.
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    Updated Mar 11th, 2017 at 12:47 AM by aqua70
  5. SaeedinPakistan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aqua70
    @SaeedinPakistan even if let's say this theory is true, it wouldn't make sense to jump to different universes, there is a version of you already there. Just living a different path based on alternate choices. It's just comforting to know that there maybe a version of me out there who made all the right choices and doesn't have many regrets. It does sound nice though, doesn't it... the ceasing to exist part, well all humans will find out some day. Sometimes real life seems stranger than fictional sci-fi books and movies, I mean after all, we are living on a sphere in the middle of huge vacuum.
    There could be situations where it might make sense. There might be a universe out there where everything was just right but you suffered an accidental death. Then there could be another one where you were miserable, without family or friends but had perfect health. It would make perfect sense for the latter you to travel to the dead you's universe.

    I've stopped bothering myself with the thought of what could have been had I, or others in my life, done things differently. Things are what they and what's done is done. I can't change the past, the future is unknown, now is what really matters.

    I does sound nice, ceasing to exist once I die. Again, there is no way to know for sure. Trying to answer this question via religion is futile, it's an impossible game. This extremely short video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcw1YEtTQCw , does a great job of helping one see how almost everyone is doomed if there indeed is a god and an afterlife. Because with the number of religions out there, almost everyone is wrong.

    I guess books and movies are less strange because the characters seem to have a purpose, most of the times. Real life is different, we don't have a definite purpose. The strangeness of it all goes away once we find a purpose for ourselves, whether it be religion, a career, family or whatever. And it creeps back in when things go awry.
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  6. Monk's Avatar
    Read surah Duha.
    Well read whole quran. You question will have answers.
    And praying to God, is not ordering a waiter , so you expect exactly what you asked for.
    Praying to God, is more like winning a favor of a king, he can give from where you do not expect, and in the ways you do
    not know.
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  7. aqua70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Monk
    Read surah Duha.
    Well read whole quran. You question will have answers.
    And praying to God, is not ordering a waiter , so you expect exactly what you asked for.
    Praying to God, is more like winning a favor of a king, he can give from where you do not expect, and in the ways you do
    not know.
    Astagfirullah @Monk Paa jee, two things... First, those are not my questions; Second, I really don't think she meant it like the bold part you stated, as a kid you are told that if you pray really sincerely and with a true heart, you have higher chances of it getting accepted. Her question was more like what is the purpose of praying to extend life when your death is already determined.
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    Updated Mar 12th, 2017 at 01:36 AM by aqua70
  8. Monk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aqua70
    Astagfirullah @Monk Paa jee, two things... First, those are not my questions; Second, I really don't think she meant it like the bold part you stated, as a kid you are told that if you pray really sincerely and with a true heart, you have higher chances of it getting accepted. Her question was more like what is the purpose of praying to extend life when your death is already determined.

    I did not mean it in bad sense. It some thing I learned, looking back at life.
    I hope its get easy for her.
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